Does Breeze offer enough pay to pilots? Maybe wait and see? 10 years have passed, the salary for new FO's are basically the same but now you need at least 10 year as FO to become a captain. The $1200 a month is not really a salary, but rather a stipend for a college-like experience while interning as FA part time. It's official: Breeze is no different from any other creepy Mormon MLM scheme. At least, I can't find that information. Fares are still way to high in the industry. Just be transparent. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I graduate. Unions. So, that will be difficult. On the other hand I have a feeling this is going to be an age discrimination lawsuit happening as soon as they figure out no one over the age of 30 is being hired for a flight attendant. I think Breeze will likely be cheaper while SW offers 2 free checked bags. Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. Nice. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. They paid $3.50 an hour. It is a pity that in this country, health care Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. Heres SkyWests Embraer 170 pilot pay scale (this is a significantly smaller plane): Again, the catch with regional airlines is that pilots typically work here for a few years before applying for a job with one of the major airlines. Captain 1st year $192 and $203 in year six. I will be marching tomorrow on May Day for an egalitarian communist revolution with hundreds of myvworking class comrades in Brooklyn. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six I'm a retired AA captain. Starbucks employees don't plan on a career there, but they love the culture and it offers them a launching pad. I'm willing to bet that they will start service to Tampa. *No insurance provided. It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. Well what about Maintenance. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? Reset Password. At 55 min, it seems like a part time job. Kinda like this site makes money signing people up for credit cards. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. Does this really qualify as an "internship"? I worked my way through college and I would have LOVED to have free housing provided. Everyone should apply. At those rates, retention will be a huge problem. The bad news is that there may not be enough hours. I already feel bad for the disadvantaged kids that will end up getting wrangled into this to help pay for a couple semesters of college. Need to use the Robinhood model where PAX fly free or get paid to fly, in exchange for all of their data / information which can be sold for revenue generation. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. I don't think any new business venture in a competitive feel can be termed "exploitative." This combination of low salary and high demands cannot be good for retention. Great article !!! A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. Posts: 36,185. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. For a certain person, this could be an ideal job. Landing June 2023. The estimated total pay for a Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways is $4,639 per month. Many of those interns go on to be millionaires, build businesses, and manage to be +5 insightful and funny. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. Not for everyone - dah. Login Support. Mar 23, 2022 You could sit around half a day, everyday, and not get paid for it. "Filet mignon sandwich?" Does everyone just think about cost of a ticket, but not how safe the aircraft are? "The price of food is so high, they should be grateful!". Claim your Free Employer Profile Website: www.flybreeze.com Headquarters: Cottonwood Heights, UT Size: 501 to 1000 Employees Founded: 2018 Type: Company - Private Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. And the US would have PRETTY PLEASANT FRIENDLY SKIES again. It's exactly what I have been saying for years. This seems more in line with what they should be receiving for compensation. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! Do you see 50 yo or 70 yo lifeguards on the beach? As far as "part-time", pilots are "at work" 300 to 400 hours per month in order to fly 80 hours. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. I commuted weekly on Southwest out of MDW got an apartment with 5 other classmates. /s. The pay scale also looks good. If adults want to work the jobs Breeze offers and are satisfied with it then there is no cynical exploitation, even though legacy unions might wish that it were so. People may weigh each differently but those are the top three for nearly all travelers. Then, when mainline hiring picks-up (as it inevitably will) they'll dump Breeze like a cheap date. Sounds like the flights will be mostly out and back the same day, to save $$$ on per diem/ hotel costs. These numbers are minimums. @Jason -- Sprit is not that profitable, certainly nowhere close to Delta. Eight hours plus. They have no employees right now and are relying upon applicants to look at the pay and say "Sounds good enough to me." Welcome! It's that, or these guys and their families starve. [Well] flash someone a message, Hey, we see youre flying today. I will never fly them, nor will I encourage anyone to work for them or fly them, until they pay real, market rates. The corporate-provided housing actually sounds like an appealing thing for many college students. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? They are taking advantage of a market surplus. Breeze Airways First Officers: $62,000 by year six, JetBlue First Officers: $117,000 by year six, Breeze Airways Captains: $94,000 by year six. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. Im a retired AA captain. A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. hide. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. After the carrier recently announced the hourly pay offered to pilots, however, the aforementioned description may not be satisfactory. A new airline that bills itself as "seriously nice" first took to the skies in 2021. Hey. Nevertheless, Breeze Airways is still on track to launch in the US in the first quarter of 2021. I can just imagine the sick calls on the weekends. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. Schmucks! Can't wait to see more innovation!! Arron, Im neither fat, unfit or rude, ugly well maybe. So they only want young, pretty, college girls and completely straight acting College guys? Their value is astronomical. Salary to both of these groups of people is somewhat incidental. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. Will they get pilots? He must anticipate a lot of employee churn and be okay with that risk, deeming it worth the extra-low cost structure and less likely to result in speedy unionization, if it leads to it at all. Flight attendants as interns is a novel idea on paper but. Either talk about what JBs starting rates were when they launched or write this article in 5 years and Ill think differently. At least here they will learn something. Breeze's schedule is likely to have heavy seasonal flex. If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. I think they are going Myrtle Beach Direct Air style. Thanks for update !! The new carrier, founded by serial aviation entrepreneur David Neeleman first teased the idea, code-named Moxy, in mid-2018. Enjoy the Race To The Bottom, along with the clientele it will surely attract (think Spirit but even more extreme). Is Breeze Airways pilot pay unreasonable? I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. Also even the numbers you quote put them right in line (if not slightly above) the regional peers like SkyWest. At the end of the day your skill set is only worth what the market will pay. Minimum wage in Utah is $7.25/hr and cost of living there is pretty low. I am sure they expect this, but will like to see what happens. return on investment. For the rest of my career at VX I commuted into SFO the night before a trip. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. Alaska Airlines Business Card Review: 70K Miles & Lufthansas Boeing 787 Business Class: Exactly As Expected. Most professionals are comfortable with the idea of a starter job, and aren't looking for a father figure in their employer to guide them gently into old age. Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. NB: there's a pilot shortage. Housing is a huge hurdle for new flight attendants. . The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. Pre-Order now!Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941Highly detailed diecast pre-finished collector model airplane. If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. The good news is that the hourly wages are above-average. Upon arrival, you sat for 5 hours, then returned to LGA. Employees pay for their school and housing, but Breeze gets the tax savings. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. And you're worried about the quality of housing? So, that will Hey. This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. I think the FAA needs to look into this. Breeze Now, Pay Later. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. Low fares. Grumpy old man can be Ebenezer Scrooge. By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. Breeze Airways provides nonstop service between underserved routes across the U.S. at affordable fares. I think at a pay rate of $1,200 a month, most of their flight attendants will come from A Handmaids Tale! At this point, offset the difference by instructing or other commercial needs. As for the FA's..they will definitely be lined up around the block for a job like this with those benies. I suspect the *average* monthly paid hours across the whole year will be a lot higher. But, lets be clear: unless theres a fairly substantial number of mid-career/midlife/middle aged people among the flight attendants, apart from seeking to keep labor (and other) costs down, its hard to miss the happy coincidence of also having an angle/approach that just so happens to allow for forever young flight attendants - like airlines based in countries that still allow for to hiring and firing based on age. See more about our ethics policies here. Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor policy for flight attendants just so happens to be maintaining a youthful labor force as seniors depart from - er graduate - their internships and are replaced by freshmen (and women; the term fresh was intentionally omitted as that does not exactly present well given the context). After taxes and insurance I . maximum takeoff weight), Must have 500 hours of PIC in large, Group II transport category aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. It gets so tiresome. Should be a wage and hour attorney's dream; they'll be subject to every state's wage/hour laws wherever they fly and be subject to both private lawsuits as well as administrative cases from the wage/hour agency in those respective states. Interesting, @EMBCAPTN. Breeze Does it Better Our Perks Straight to the point. I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. New or retreads? These comments are something else. Nice, new and nonstop. When it comes to Breeze Airways, theres good news and bad news. Started by JetBlue founder David Neeleman, Breeze Airways' inaugural flight from Tampa, Florida, to Charleston . @Ben L. exhibiting developmental delay for snark: that's concerning. thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021, The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations, Breeze hiring pilots with uncompetitive pay. So a lifelong career. Same pattern emerges for Captains as well. Posted by 5 minutes ago. Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. Right now I believe there are more pilots than are needed. 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. I am a 40 year flight attendant at a legacy carrierand I llove my job. Let's ask Don Burr how his cult airline worked out? Flew my 4day trip and took a Delta flight departing at 12:25am to MSP and connected to MDW. When I spoke to Utah Valley Univ recruiters they hinted heavily the program was designed for the under 25 crowd. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. A union can negotiate for the whole group, unity makes force. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. Expect this trend to accelerate in the next 3-5 years. So you can make $1200 in a month only working 80 hrs a month. Not a bad gig for a college student. I worked as a host at a restaurant for minimum wage in college and didnt make close to $1200/mo and still had full tuition and room/board to pay. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. Go there to get flight time and then move on. With the A220 entering service in early 2022, the company will rapidly expand its network throughout the US and beyond, creating new base opportunities, very attractive lines of flying, very quick upgrades, and excellent quality of life. They can't practice on their Great idea. As in, Gompers? This business model shows that there is still tremendous opportunity to drive down wring out costs in flying. People in that position have the option of not working and watching their skills and socialization go fallow, or working and having the first and last dollar of their income taxed at 70% and more under federal and state taxation. Actual flight time? Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. All rights reserved. Breeze will initially fly 118-seat Embraer 195s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. 100% Upvoted. New airplane, new business model. Disappointed but not surprised. That's open, unabashed exploitation of skilled labor in an (only temporary) downtown. Or perhaps thats actually the goal that Breeze wants a revolving door of pilots so that it can keep pilots towards the bottom of the pay scale. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. Reactions: Karee. Each model comes with display stand, rolling gears, and is assembled and ready to display. Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. No thank you! Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. Fingers crossed and ready to go! It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. All that said, I'm currently COO for a NON-union airline, and we will make sure we pay our pilots (and all employees) fairly with work conditions and benefits that will never have them needing a union to ask for more. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. Some will likely say that Breeze Airways proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, with so many pilots furloughed or laid off. FO Adam absolutely nailed it. As a society we have started to forget the notion of a first job leading to better skills and better salary.